Curse

Tear Of Cherokee · Aug 09, 2006, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by xx luna xx

ha ha!

I agree w/ this money rant 100%

Especially when "15k" Kurzick armor ended up costing ...surprise surprise ...not 15k a piece but w/ all the materiasl about 50k a piece!
insanity i tell u!! I had a bunch of gold saved up for my Kurzick necro armor only to be able to affor 1 piece.

bah!

Luna

If you actually bought amber then your silly because you can faction farm it fr33!

Hope your code=45 stuff gets all worked out btw luna and hope you start locking your brother out of your pc.

makosi · Aug 10, 2006, 12:15 AM // 00:15

I blame the 'eastern farming community' who sell gold online for this ridiculous inflation (as well as those who buy gold) because its bumps up the prices of everything. As for armour and skills, they are very expensive in Cantha, yet still affordable. If I want a weapon/weapon mod and Kaineng armour, my storage will be severely hit.

Xenrath · Aug 10, 2006, 01:45 AM // 01:45

Well here's a simple test for some people to do.

1) Forget you have a storage box. Pretend you have ZERO funds or chars in other continents you could use to farm.

2) Don't farm.

3) Make a new Canthan character and do only the missions and maybe some side quests until you get to the mainland.

4) Report how much money you have.

If someone's making a new character/survivor it can be done in about 7 or 8 hours from scratch without being run or power levelled.

In other words behave like you've just bought Factions (no Prophecies, no previous assets) and doing what most new players will do - play the main quests.

TheLordOfBlah · Aug 10, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

I was thinking of doing this, i may decide to start a thread later. I'm bored and have a free char slot so why not?

I disagree that the armor costs too much, however I may be wrong, so I am going to test it.

Ive only done shing jea 3 times now =P but whatever.

The Primeval King · Aug 10, 2006, 02:41 AM // 02:41

Do some chest runs. I find those exciting in the fact that you are always thinking "Oooh, will this time be the time when I get that one perfect item?" Go to Imperial Sanctum and do them, especially this weekend. Double golds

I've earned over 600k doing these so far, and it only took me 250 chests

Matix411 · Aug 10, 2006, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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Originally Posted by The Primeval King

Do some chest runs. I find those exciting in the fact that you are always thinking "Oooh, will this time be the time when I get that one perfect item?" Go to Imperial Sanctum and do them, especially this weekend. Double golds

I've earned over 600k doing these so far, and it only took me 250 chests

Haha.
Wowww...
What about the keys though? Do you buy them? Find them?
That's a lot of keys .. I barely ever get key drops.

Ari Shiningstar · Aug 10, 2006, 03:06 AM // 03:06

I use the collector armor for the most part. 3 pieces are easy to get outside the marketplace, I only end up having the head piece and boots crafted, so that saves alot. Then I can decide later on if I want to invest money on getting prettier armor.

There are also armor collectors in the 2 lower canthan areas.

Ari

Sable Phoenix · Aug 10, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

To the OP:

You, sir are exactly right on all points. Prices are out of control in GW, in either chapter but especially Factions.

I've been playing for over a year and I have 150k in my account, for use across six characters. That's nothing. I've bought one suit of 15k armor for my main; considering the amount needed to spend on rare crafting materials, I can afford maybe two more sets of 15k armor, but no more. Black dyes are essentially out of my price range; Superior Vigor runes might as well be black diamonds to me, there's no way I can afford them at 34k a pop. Weapon upgrades, no chance, not when they often go for 100k or more. The GW economy is out of control thanks to farmers and people who can spend twelve hours a day in front of the computer. It's a serious problem for casual or new players, and ArenaNet isn't helping matters by designing the armors to be so freaking expensive.

Me? I've got a job, and a life. I guess that just means I'm out of luck.

I still feel that GW should be a controlled economy, with price caps on anything that a merchant sells. 34k for a single rune is ridiculous.

So kudos to you, sir. Your "rant", as you called it, is perfectly valid.

Astro Pubes · Aug 10, 2006, 05:18 AM // 05:18

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Originally Posted by Sable Phoenix

I still feel that GW should be a controlled economy, with price caps on anything that a merchant sells. 34k for a single rune is ridiculous.

apparently you don't remember when superior absorbtions were worth 100k and i believe superior vigors were at one time close to the 100k cap as well. the merchants in guild wars are basic supply vs demand. low supply high demand drives up the prices. large supple low demand decreases the prices. you take the superior absorption rune for example 1 year ago from today it was worth around 100k and now, 800gold??? I paid around 60plat for mine and now it's worthless. Monk runes did the same thing as factions tried to kill off the 55 monk, but the great AoE nerf and UW introducing dying nightmares for the solo UW 55 farmers drove down the prices of monk runes from what they once were. It's all supply and demand.

Racthoh · Aug 10, 2006, 05:37 AM // 05:37

Your points seem a little... odd I suppose. Cantha has the rushed feel to it, so you don't earn enough to get the armour when you get to Kaineng Center to buy the 1.5k armour. So you want the armour to be cheaper... so you can do what? Get through the game faster?

In which case, that means you'll have to farm or repeat the same areas over and over to get the gold. You say you can't pvp, and enjoy the RPG aspect of the game. Endgame conent is pretty much just repeating the same areas over and over again, might as well get into the habit of seeing the same scenary sooner rather than later. Afterall, in the early stages of the game there is actually a meaning (rather a purpose) to the gold besides vanity.

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I don't PvP, as I've said, so I cannot gain Faction to trade in for Amber or Jade, thus I have to buy it.

Two repeatable quests in Ferndale that net 400 faction a piece, along with gold and experience. Takes me less than half an hour to do both of those quests, and earn myself 800 faction. I have done this with both my monk and my warrior, with only the assistance of henchmen. The gold I get from the quests, along with what I pick up and from the drops helps to fund my keys to open the occasional chest that appears along the routes in Ferndale.

There are numerous repeatable quests for faction, gold and experience on both the luxon and kurzick side. However you need the patience to put in a little grind.

In general, PvE is a joke. You can complete every mission with henchmen, and even score bonus + mission with just henchmen in Prophecies. So if you don't have the best armour available at the time, try to enjoy the challenge of being at a disadvantage. Hell I took my level 12 necromancer with ascalon armour and starting fighting outside of Kaineng Center for a while. Henchmen are a godsend, and drops were 50-60 gold a piece.

Akhilleus · Aug 10, 2006, 05:50 AM // 05:50

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Originally Posted by Sable Phoenix

To the OP:

You, sir are exactly right on all points. Prices are out of control in GW, in either chapter but especially Factions.

I've been playing for over a year and I have 150k in my account, for use across six characters. That's nothing. I've bought one suit of 15k armor for my main; considering the amount needed to spend on rare crafting materials, I can afford maybe two more sets of 15k armor, but no more. Black dyes are essentially out of my price range; Superior Vigor runes might as well be black diamonds to me, there's no way I can afford them at 34k a pop. Weapon upgrades, no chance, not when they often go for 100k or more. The GW economy is out of control thanks to farmers and people who can spend twelve hours a day in front of the computer. It's a serious problem for casual or new players, and ArenaNet isn't helping matters by designing the armors to be so freaking expensive.

Me? I've got a job, and a life. I guess that just means I'm out of luck.

I still feel that GW should be a controlled economy, with price caps on anything that a merchant sells. 34k for a single rune is ridiculous.

So kudos to you, sir. Your "rant", as you called it, is perfectly valid.

thats right, thank those power-farmers, without them superior runes would'nt be 34k...

...they'd be 65-80k like they were back in the days without massive amopunts of farming; furthermore, IMPERFECT golds, even 14.50 9-10 req weapons could EASILY cost you up to 300k. +30 hp pommels were in excess of 120k. superior absorbtions were 100k.
without farmers and traders stuff would be SO MUCH MORE expensive its not even funny. its because these people are willing to tolerate sitting in trade channels for 6 hours, or farming for 6 hours, that people such as yourself can get an item quickly, and cheaply (i remember the days when getting a +30 pommel could often take a week or more...even when you had the money to afford it).
low on cash? use greens or collectors items. you can build a character with perfectly useable (pvp equivilant) equipment for about 30-70k, depending on the character type and whether you use droks or collectors armor, and if the former what type of droks.
while this may sound like a lot, keep in mind if you actually play the game, as opposed to taking shortcuts left&right, you should be able to easily muster 40-60k. it is AMAZING how many people expect to be given all the money the'll ever need at the character creation window; yes, i am rich, yes i have spent probably over 1,000 game hours trading, and yes, that is way too much time spent on a game. but, if you are not willing to put in the time and effort, do not expect the same reward. poor because you dont have enough time to thoroughly complete the game, and only get run from mission to mission skipping all the quests? then of course you wont have the money to make your armor, and you'll have to pull it from another character. do this enough times and you'll be broke. but, compared to other games, guildwars is CAKE in the need-to-farm-to-afford-basic-equipment department. in virtually any other game you'll be farming for HUNDREDS of hours to afford stuff that rich players would laugh at; in GW, an hours here and there should make up for whatever minor deficit is left from questing, and the equipment is (more or less) identical to the stuff the richest players in the game use, you have zero right to complain.
its called money&time management, its a lifeskill that can be applied to both video games, and real life. Use it.
yes i'm wealthy in gw, but, it is seldom that i get a character run. 2 of my 3 warriors, my ranger, my necro and my monk were not run through the game. i completed every mission, many, many, many quests, and, believe it or not, i prefer not to use my existing funds to help a character if it is a primary class i've never played before. it makes the game more fun, and gives it a longer lifespan. i do not like having to ship money to a character for droks or kaineg, i prefer to pay for it off of the character's own earnings.

Matix411 · Aug 10, 2006, 06:52 AM // 06:52

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Two repeatable quests in Ferndale that net 400 faction a piece, along with gold and experience. Takes me less than half an hour to do both of those quests, and earn myself 800 faction.

Ah ... I didn't even know there were repeatable 'quests'. I thought only missions were replayable.
Learn something every day I guess.
I'll consider those though, in terms of gaining Faction, so thanks.

Suedars · Aug 10, 2006, 06:58 AM // 06:58

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Originally Posted by Sable Phoenix

To the OP:

You, sir are exactly right on all points. Prices are out of control in GW, in either chapter but especially Factions.

I've been playing for over a year and I have 150k in my account, for use across six characters. That's nothing. I've bought one suit of 15k armor for my main; considering the amount needed to spend on rare crafting materials, I can afford maybe two more sets of 15k armor, but no more. Black dyes are essentially out of my price range; Superior Vigor runes might as well be black diamonds to me, there's no way I can afford them at 34k a pop. Weapon upgrades, no chance, not when they often go for 100k or more. The GW economy is out of control thanks to farmers and people who can spend twelve hours a day in front of the computer. It's a serious problem for casual or new players, and ArenaNet isn't helping matters by designing the armors to be so freaking expensive.

Me? I've got a job, and a life. I guess that just means I'm out of luck.

I still feel that GW should be a controlled economy, with price caps on anything that a merchant sells. 34k for a single rune is ridiculous.

So kudos to you, sir. Your "rant", as you called it, is perfectly valid.

The problem with your argument is that every single item you mention is either a luxury (black dye/15k armor), or a marginal upgrade at best. You don't need a perfect max stats weapon. Why spend 34k on a sup vigor when majors are 3k and only a 9hp difference? Why spend 30k on a 30 hp fort mod when you can get a 28 hp mod for 1.5k? You can get a near max damage weapon with near max mods (good ones at that) for less than 10k, and you'll never notice the difference. Better yet, buy items for a desert collector, get a max damage, low req, 15>50 weapon, and mod it yourself. With 5k you can get it a nice set of mods. You don't need that 2 extra hp, or 1% additional furious chance.

Carl Butanananowski · Aug 10, 2006, 07:21 AM // 07:21

'Scuse me..

OP means what?

And where do you trade in fac for Amber?

/agreed

later

Suedars · Aug 10, 2006, 07:22 AM // 07:22

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Originally Posted by Carl Butanananowski

'Scuse me..

OP means what?

And where do you trade in fac for Amber?

/agreed

later

OP=Original Poster

Opeth11 · Aug 10, 2006, 07:57 AM // 07:57

House Zu Heltzer, there's a Factions Reward NPC where you can trade in your faction for amber.

Gonzo · Aug 10, 2006, 07:59 AM // 07:59

My first Canthan char got decent armor solely on that which I came across on that character up untill the point of buying the armor (quest rewards) including materials, I salvage everything I come across so materials weren't a problem. Bought armor in Seitung Harbor, then waited untill I got to HzH to get my max armor. No farming needed for it. The only thing I had to farm for is unlocking all my skills.

Opeth11 · Aug 10, 2006, 08:04 AM // 08:04

Unlocking skills. That's probably the only real problem with money for people, honestly. The quests simply don't pay enough for you to afford skills easily in Factions, and they are definitely needed to be purchased many times, unlike armor.

Carl Butanananowski · Aug 10, 2006, 09:11 AM // 09:11

thx all for definitions btw.

and i feel pathetic now. ive never gotten past the marketplace :P

dare49devil · Aug 10, 2006, 11:59 AM // 11:59

I do not mind the gold drop rate...I never had to "farm frantically" to get money.